ILR Show Division
Call Meeting - July 16, 2013, 8:00 pm EST
Committee Members Present: Judy
Ross - Chair, Rawna Hamann - Secretary, Debi Garvin, Eran
McCarty, Maryan Baker, Jenni Jimmerson
CALL TO ORDER:
Meeting was called to order at 8:05 pm EDT. All committee
members were present.
meeting - approved by email and sent to office for posting.
Updated minutes from email meeting on 2-24-13 approved by email
and sent to office for posting.
Welcomed new member BOD liason, Debi Garvin
brought up that it was very difficult to navigate for
information on the Gathering Fleece show esp. for sending
in fleece and products. It was suggested to have a separate link
for fleece information to make it more efficient to locate entry
forms, class information, and mailing instructions.
Judging: It was
brought up that there are no guidleines for training and
supervising youth for fleece judging. Debi motioned; Maryan
seconded: support youth committee reccommendations until further
development of this portion of the program. Roll Call vote: 6
votes yes/no no's: To support this reccommenation was Passed.
Debi motioned; Eran seconded the 3 top choices of fleece judges
for the 2014 Gathering show. These reccommendations are,
in order: Mary Jo Miller, Maryan Baker, Niki Kuklenski.
These ladies meet
the following changes:
Anyone judging The Gathering has to skip at least three
years before judging again, in any division. The judge must be
in good standing with the ILR and the ILR-SD. The fleece
committee shall pick three candidates by consensus for fleece
judging. The halter committee shall pick three candidates by
consensus for the halter judge. The youth committee and the
performance committee shall jointly select three candidates for
performance judge. Each committee can rank the candidates. The
judges committee shall review the nine candidates, making sure
they are all in good standing with the ILR SD. The ILR board
shall make sure the candidates are in good standing with the
ILR. Once the candidates are validated the names will be sent to
all six ILR-SD committees for review so the chair can then
represent each committee on the GB for voting. The final
selections will be ratified by the ILR BOD.
Champions: Dar is
creating certificates. Debi would like to see a 'token award'
presented to these lifetime achievement Champions. She suggested
wool bags from Quality Llama Products. She will investigate the
costs and specifics and get us the information via e-mail. Need
to find out from Dar how many we are looking at honoring. The
committee was asked to think about special awards that could be
useful for fleece users and be affordable.
brought up that there are several issues for discussion
regarding annualized weight. There was an open discussion with
the following concerns/comments:
Age of animal may differ from age at shearing and gets
locked up in show manager - changes division and thus points for
Shearing styles are all different and until that is
consistent, they should not be judged by the weight.
It was also brought up that weight is the one thing that
cannot be 'improved upon on that llama' as compared to the other
qualities that can change from shearing to shearing on that
llama. Judy commented that year to year shearing, blanket vs
barrel can make a difference as well as proper skirting can make
a difference, proper nutrition enhances fleece growth as well as
climate/weather can make a difference, this was just discussion.
You not only look at the follicles per inch, but you have length
as well that adds to the weight. We are talking about weight not
Because of all the variables, and thus controversy, it
was suggested that a survey through Survey Monkey be sent out to
every ILR member. Judy objected that we first need the list of
questions, so the committee could agree on what needs to be
asked. She also stated that from personal experiences it is
better to have a conversation with each person as they won't
respond to a survey. The rest of the committee felt that if it
were kept simple and specific, people would take 10 minutes to
respond, and then we would have better information about the
importance of fleece weights in judging - or at all. A motion
was made by Jenni to conduct a survey. It was seconded by
Maryan. Motion: to conduct a survey, questions to be created
later. Roll Call vote: Rawna, Jenni, Maryan, Debi and Eran -
yes; Judy - no, 5-1 voted yes; Passed. Judy stated she was not
against having the survey but to have the questions first.
It was then
suggested that each committee member submit ideas for questions
to be reviewed by members and then submitted to Survey Monkey.
Tabled - to be discussed via
email and at next meeting.
Danish system -
Tabled - to be discussed via email and at next meeting.
Date to be determined; 8:00 EST
Motion to adjourn
was made by Judy. Time limited our meeting.
Meeting adjourned at 9:00pm EST
Note: All motions approved by
the Fleece Committee still need to be approved by the Governing
Board before they go into effect.
Minutes submitted by Rawna
Hamann, ILR Fleece Committee Secretary.